What A Clown

[Jester]

This sirflair guy is a fucking clown.

http://www.foosballboard.net/phpBB/viewt...sc&start=0

[Jon]

Ya he's been talking about this for some time now! Won't be going to any warrior tourneys anytime soon that's for sure. I also like how you laid into him "Rudeboy"!

[Jester]

rofl, I tried to be nice, really, I did!

I know hes been talking about this for a while now, and I have held back responding to give him a chance, but he comes back with the same lop sided arguments every time, so enough is enough, you want my personal thoughts (the thread topic), you got them.

[Jon]

I really liked Zeke's post too!

[deliverance]

Clown indeed. After a few years, I think like Zeke said you can learn any shot by putting in the practice. I think my pull shot on a stationary defence (practicing at home) is probably getting close to my snake. The thing is shooting it under pressure, being able to read the defence against a live opponent takes years to master and have a deep run in a tournament with.

[garbaggio]

Zeke is right that it takes about as much time to shoot a pro pull as a pro snake, but there are 2 things I want to point out (and other people have alluded to them). First, I'd bet a new player would able to score better after 6 months of shooting snake than a similar rookie player was after 6 months shooting pull. That's just the way it is. Several years on, there may not be a huge difference, but at the start, a snake is certainly easier to learn.

The second is that shooting pull at a tournament for a whole weekend is much harder on your arm than shooting snake for a whole weekend (I know because I've done both). In addition, it's easier to execute a snake on 4-4. These are just general points.

Anyway disallowing the snake is stupid idea. That's where the game is and there's no turning back the clock. If you run tournaments where a popular shot is not allowed, people will vote with their wallets and go to tournaments where it is allowed.

Also, that guy that keeps calling it a spin shot isn't making any new friends, I'll wager.

Taha

[SilentSam]

I agree that any shot can be learned with practice. I do think that a pull is harder to learn than a snake though. A snake you can mask your takeoff, and a pull requires that explosive takeoff. You can have a really accurate pull and be able to read defence really well, but if someone has a slight tell on your takeoff they can race you pretty easily. Obviously you can use tells to block snakes as well, but I find it amplified for the pull.

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Also, that guy that keeps calling it a spin shot isn't making any new friends, I'll wager.

There's no way that this guy is for real. He's simply an internet account trolling for laughs, nobody is like that in real life...

[snakefactory]

I'm pretty sure the guy calling it the spin shot is Johnny Horton.

[SilentSam]

I don't know... the posts don't seem to contain enough cocaine for it to be Horton.

[jpguywatchout]

i think HeMan knows what he looks like.... he could confirm.

[PACKER]

I'd bet a new player would able to score better after 6 months of shooting snake than a similar rookie player was after 6 months shooting pull.

I think Jesse and I are examples of that.

Several years on, there may not be a huge difference

& I hope to prove this to be true haha.

The second is that shooting pull at a tournament for a whole weekend is much harder on your arm than shooting snake for a whole weekend (I know because I've done both). In addition, it's easier to execute a snake on 4-4.

I agree that this can be the case, but after seeing Todd's pull shot, I'm sure that I'll find the painless technique. When I started shooting pull I tested the motorcycle grip versus the handshake grip and found that the first killed my wrist but the latter didn't. Then about a month ago I changed from handshake to motorcycle grip based on Ryan Moore and others' input because the lateral speed is much faster and the range of motion is greater allowing for more power. I'll still feel pressure in my thumb tendon about 50% of the time (mainly if I miss-execute), which is usually because I'm trying too hard - like in golf. When we try to crush it our technique becomes flawed which in this case hurts the wrist. But when you're smooth and confident like Todd, you can get through a whole tournament no problem.

But ya back to the topic at hand.. This guy is ridiculous.. His logic makes such little sense that upon reading it my head hurt. A paradigm shift happens when the basic assumptions of a community change. The snake has been around for a quarter century. Generations of foosers have come and gone in that time, and it's safe to say that a paradigm shift has happened when it comes to the acceptance of the snake shot as a standard pro level shot. The only reason people shoot it is because of the satisfaction of crushing that dead-bar or faking pull and ripping a push. It wouldn't be satisfying without the mental side of the game, nor would it be satisfying if it didn't take years of practice, with countless mental and physical technique adjustments (Jesse can tell you how many "epiphanies" I've had about how to shoot the pull lol). Calling the rollover a beginner shot that just anyone can hit is an absolute insult to all snake shooters and those who have spent lots of time learning how to block it.

In my professional opinion (having just graduated with my commerce degree) I think his promotional strategy for the warrior table is slightly flawed lmao.