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Official League Rules
#1
Hello All:

One of the biggest comments people made last night was a clear indication of what rules we follow and also make clear the procedure for when teams are only 2 players or have subs.

So I have drafted a set of rules. Please take note a change in the double which will address the past weeks discussion as well as a clarification of the substitute and two players scenarios.

The goal is to print this on the back of the league sheet.


OFA League Rules
OFA observes the ITSF official set of rules concerning the play of the game which can be found here:
http://www.table-soccer.org/rules/docume...nglish.pdf
Rules concerning the structures of the league, subs, and specific rules concerning specialty games are listed below.

Fees: League fees are $5/week. 100% of leagues are used for prize money, SWAG, and year end party.
Teams: Teams consist of three players. In the event that one player or more cannot attend, the teams can compete with only 2 players with a few limitations or are encouraged to get a substitute players.

Playing with only 2 players: two regular teammates or one regular and one substitute
1) There is a 1 point penalty for playing with two players.
2) In the Doubles series, the team must play in specific and opposite positions for each series - goalie for series one, forward for series two.

Team Forfeiture: If a team can't attend the night or only have one player, they are deemed to have forfeited the match. They are not allotted any points or goals for the stats. Their opponents get a win and will play for points in a three man sheet if possible.

Substitute Players: Teams are encouraged to get substitute players when needed. Post on the forum or contact the league co-ordinator in the event you need a sub. There are no restrictions on substitutes although do consider the skill level of the substitute with your teams current tier position.

All games are to 7 points except the doubles with is to 5 points.

Roto Doubles: Players start in any position they wish. Every time your team scores, players rotate from goalie to forward. Otherwise, players are not allowed to switch positions.

Goalies Delight: When a goalie scores a goal (initiator of the shot), the goalie will start with the ball after the goal (steal the serve). This only happens once. Any subsequent play that would require the ball to be brought back into to play (i.e. re-served) is done so by the team that was scored upon. If this game is mixed with roto doubles, the team rotates position and the new goalie starts with the ball.

FSO: Players start with the ball on their forward 3-rod and start play with the ready protocol. Once the goalie establishes control of the ball or if the ball leaves his zone, the teams switch.

Goalie Wars: Players only use the goalie and defence rod. All other rods and playing area is considered LIVE. Players cannot get two possessions of same the ball without it entering their opponents playing area. For example, if player A shoots the ball and it strikes the metal bar of his 5-bar and returns to his playing area, he loses possession as player B never had an opportunity to play the ball before Player's A second possession.

5-Bar Wars: This is the same as FSO except that points are earned by completing a successful pass rather than scoring a goal. Turn taking is the same as FSO.

2-Ball Rollerball: Two balls are served through each of the serving holes. One of the goalies will count to three to indicate the start. In and out goals do not count (the only game that they don't). Players may stop the second ball and mark one point after scoring the first ball. Balls must always be moving. Failing to keep a ball moving will result in a stoppage of play, a warning and reserve. After a second warning a penalty shot (with the ball constantly moving) will be awarded. In the event a ball falls dead between rods, play will continue in the hopes that the other ball with strike it, otherwise, the team that was scored on will reserve the ball. Teams must with by 2 up to nine. Sudden death applies only when a team reaches 9, not when they have achieved a 2 point lead and there is a live ball still in play.

Doubles: The teams play all three games of the sheet with their specified partners. Three points are awarded if the team wins all three games, two points for winning two games, 0 points for winning one or less. These games are played to 5 points.
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#2
"Doubles: The teams play all three games of the sheet with their specified partners. Three points are awarded if the team wins all three games"

Is this new? I've never played it this way.

Taha
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#3
YES, this would be new, hence:

5barwarrior Wrote:So I have drafted a set of rules. Please take note a change in the double which will address the past weeks discussion as well as a clarification of the substitute and two players scenarios.
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(24-Jan-2013, 01:07 PM)garbaggio Wrote: "Doubles: The teams play all three games of the sheet with their specified partners. Three points are awarded if the team wins all three games"

Is this new? I've never played it this way.

Taha

This change is great!!!!
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#5
Are these changes instated as of now, or after league?

I also want to reiterate that we shouldn't penalize people for not having a third. The nature of the beast is there's always a player who doesn't commit, and at the start of league, pairing with that someone already makes it bad enough. A rule like this may cause a few people not to join, since some people may not want to join with others they don't know too well.

Case in point:
Steve and Josh lost Andrew. It would suck if guys like Steve and Josh get penalized for their third being unreliable. We all know that foosball subs are hard enough to find, and most only want to sub for tier 1.
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#6
I agree with your points but there are teams that are complaining that because some teams only have two players they have an advantage in doubles and other games. It is meant as a reminder that this is a three player team league and you should be strongly encouraged to try and find a third.

I would like to instate the rules now but if there is concern about altering the league in the middle of the season, we can wait until the spring league.


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#7
You can use your common judgement. You as a team can simply decline to adhere to this rule on your sheet at the start of the night, unless Chris or Packer are preparing the sheet and noting the markings when they submit the results.

if your top player can't make it out, it might be ok to just let it slide (from the other team's perspective). If it was Jon/DanK and Sam was missing, I would like some incentive to steer that in my favor since that doubles would be stacked.
- Casti
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#8
(24-Jan-2013, 02:29 PM)5barwarrior Wrote: I agree with your points but there are teams that are complaining that because some teams only have two players they have an advantage in doubles and other games. It is meant as a reminder that this is a three player team league and you should be strongly encouraged to try and find a third.

I've heard the other side as well, where the sub was really strong, and teams were complaining that their opponent, who they would normally beat, had an unfair advantage... I do understand where you're coming from, I just see imposing infractions as a losing situation. I don't think anyone is going out of their way to have a 2 man team, and if they're unable to find a 3rd for weeks in a row, they may not want to continue in league if they're constantly being penalized.

Quote:I would like to instate the rules now but if there is concern about altering the league in the middle of the season, we can wait until the spring league.

I think that any rule change should wait until the current iteration is over, regardless.

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Casti Wrote:If it was Jon/DanK and Sam was missing, I would like some incentive to steer that in my favor since that doubles would be stacked.

Would that be any different than if we were to get Taha as a sub in that situation?

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(24-Jan-2013, 02:48 PM)SilentSam Wrote: Would that be any different than if we were to get Taha as a sub in that situation?

No. Valid point.

- Casti
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#10
on the surface, i like the idea that you play all three doubles games, even if you won the first two.

But i agree we should wait until next league to implement any changes.

i'm pretty curious to see next season how this doubles change would alter the points given. Seeing how my team has been tied in points at the end of the night 3 times already this season, would being forced to play that 3rd doubles game have made a difference in any of them? cool to think about.

no harm in trying it. if it does make a strategic difference, the teams will adapt their approaches as we have with all past league sheets. and the benefit is tangible: everyone plays the same amount of games, which is the concern that started all of this in the first place.

give 'er.
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#11
Chris, Sounds good at first glance.
Dont know for sure if this particular part has been thought out as it creates a bit of an issue.
Team Forfeiture: If a team can't attend the night or only have one player, they are deemed to have forfeited the match. They are not allotted any points or goals for the stats. Their opponents get a win and will play for points in a three man sheet if possible.

The opponents here get the win plus they play for points in a three man sheet. Quite the night and big bonus for not having the other team show up.
I dont know if this is really what we want to occur.
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#12
It isn't quite the bonus I think you think it is.

Let's break it down.

Should they get the win because of the forfeiture? Yes. In the past, when the league prizes were more serious, teams would re-schedule matches or play a double header. Since this isn't the case any more, it is easier to say that if you don't show up you get a loss and the other team gets the win. I am okay with a reschedule but I don't believe it is necessary outside tier 1.

Now as for playing for points. The team now joins a three man sheet against two other teams. This allows them to play foos for the night. The points they earn here count towards the rest of their stats - Game points, goals for/against.

The other solution would be to give them 7-0 for every game (a perfect night). I think that this would be worse.

This is how I have been applying the stats for the past 3-4 years, just figured I would write it down. I haven't seen this affect the leader board or who won league. Most of the teams that did this are tier 3 or tier 2 teams.

I suppose I should have written down that these rules are not set in stone and can be modified or ignored by both teams if agreed upon. Everyone is an adult and no one is out to screw each other.

What would be your alternative?
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#13
The only problem I ever saw with letting 2 players play as a team instead of 3 is that it conferred an advantage in the 3-man game. I can (and I know Merv and Jon can) easily pass from my left hand on the 3 to my right on the 5, or left on the 2 to the right on the 5. But if you're taking 3-man out then I guess it doesn't matter.

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(25-Jan-2013, 11:16 AM)5barwarrior Wrote: Now as for playing for points. The team now joins a three man sheet against two other teams. This allows them to play foos for the night. The points they earn here count towards the rest of their stats - Game points, goals for/against.

The other solution would be to give them 7-0 for every game (a perfect night). I think that this would be worse.

Bump for Vern, Gid, and Carm. You automatically get the win, but you only get the league points and goals from the 3 team sheet.
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#15
So to have it spelled out and repeated for a goofy old man, just leaving out the "rest of their stats - Game points, goals for/against" partr as this was never a point of confusion

Last night since we "won" both the forfeit and then the 3-way on the official league stats we get:

ONE win, i.e. two "league points" -- the forfeit win is only a win that count for the stats just in case you don't win the 3-way

Had we lost the 3-way we would have got:

ONE win, i.e. two "league points" -- the forfeit win is only a win that count for the stats just in case you don't win the 3-way

same-same and certainly not unduly generous, fair and even logical in a mysterious sort of a way

(that is, unless I got it wrong)

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